Melanie Joy – Carnism: The Psychology of Eating Meat

Melanie Joy – Carnism: The Psychology of Eating Meat



Melanie Joy presents “Carnism: The Psychology of Eating Meat” at the McDougall Advanced Study Weekend, February 2012.

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February 28, 2012 / 28 Comments / by / in
  • Wow what a great presentation. I wonder if I could get any family members to watch? They haven't watched anything I have asked them to yet…

  • The best presentation on the ethics of eating meat. Now add in the health and environmental issues and eating whole food plant based like the Starch Solution makes sense.

  • So glad I went vegan. I've been vegan for 5 months and I haven't eaten meat for 7 months (and can't wait until it becomes 7 years haha). For anyone planning on going vegan, I would recommend borrowing a vegan nutrition book and vegan recipe book from your local library or something.

  • I just watched this presentation for the 3rd time in a week. It explains so much about how our society works. I really hope that animals rights start to be taken seriously as a social justice issue. I'm so glad to be vegan and I hope that everyone who is able will do the same.

  • This is such a well-crafted and delivered presentation. We must as humans be ever vigilant against any form of tribalism that allows us to think of another group of beings (human or animal) as "other" or "thing", thus enabling us to commit atrocities against them. I am sad to say I lived under the mindset of carnism for 53 years but have finally woken up. It's never too late.

  • Thank you doctor that was a wonderful presentation being vegan for while now and it's great

  • Poor woman–they ought to have given her a fan or something. So sweaty! But she muscled through.

  • We don't treat people well so you really think we are going to become concerned for animals. FYI, I personally eat very little meat at all.

  • I like my Vitamin B supplements medium rare with my cardboard curry flavoured stir fry.

  • I know everything, I have seen everything, but these images that show animal cruelty always bring me to tears. And I am a grown, quite muscular man. But, I am also vegan. Amazing speech.

  • VEGAN FOR LIFE

  • I think a vicious circle start when cows and other animals are seen as 'food' and are not given as much care and love as dogs. Their responses are therefore not as lovely as those of cats or dogs and people keep treating them as objects or 'potential food'.

  • As animals are raised (for slaughter), humans too are raised. Raised in society to be compulsive, unconscious consumers disconnected from their values so as to propagate an economic system, model and industries that are dependent on our money.

  • I actually teared up when everyone stood up at the end. It was amazing to see such a positive response to this speech. Every little positive change we make, is still a positive change. I'm happy to know that the world is moving in the right direction ๐Ÿ™‚

  • great presentation!
    let's go on making the connection for our eyes, ears and hearts to be open to the truth!!!

  • I'll admit I don't get why some people are against eating dogs and cats. Like if meat is ok, it's all ok.

  • You are not John.

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  • this was awesome

  • I found this more powerful even than Cowspiracy. I vowed not to be a preachy vegan and only answer questions if they were directed to me, but if anyone asks me why I became vegan or what does it mean to be vegan, what's the problem with eating meat, anything like that, this is the video I'll be directing them to. Also, THANK YOU for giving warning for the footage of abuse and slaughter at 28:52 and giving the runtime to about 33:12 so I could skip it. I've seen what goes on, and it only turns off both me and the people like my mother who are openminded but who find it so repellant they can't take on board the surrounding message… This is the first time I've been given a warning and the ability to opt out, it made the talk a lot more accessible.

  • No one who raises and sells meat wants you to believe they are raised on happy farms. Activists have a right to free speech — not a right to trespas

  • โ€œ(Lisa) โ€œIโ€™m going to become a vegetarianโ€ (Homer) โ€œDoes that mean youโ€™re not going to eat any pork?โ€ โ€œYesโ€ โ€œBacon?โ€ โ€œYes Dadโ€ Ham?โ€ โ€œDad all those meats come from the same animalโ€ โ€œRight Lisa, some wonderful, magical animal!โ€โ€

  • natural death for animals = torture and disease

  • I agree with everything she said. And I enjoyed listening to it. It is such a hard world. I wish everyone could just spend one hour listening to this. What a difference I believe it would make

  • Well, there was surely some good and interesting points made, but also several errors.

    First the good points.
    1. It's true that we sort of don't think about the animals we do choose to eat, but that's how other animals think too.

    The errors.
    1. I like how the first thing she pointed out was her love for her dog and thus the care for animals, but here's the thing: dogs are CARNIVORES, they need to eat MEAT to survive! Thus the only point she proved is that it's okay at the same time to care for some animals AND to eat other animals. I have two cats and I LOVE my cats <3 And they eat meat. I eat meat too. Thus we have things in common. One thing don't have to exclude the other.
    2. The reason why we eat certain animals and not others is because certain animals have been farm animals for thousands of years and certain have been raised as pets for thousands of years. Surely the farm animals were chosen because of taste, availability and "raiseability". I don't know the history of pets accurately though. But some people do eat frog meat or the more exotic things she mentioned and there's no opposition to eat some of these IF they'd taste good and were available for a reasonable price. And it's not like we can love ALL animals, just like we can't love all humans (rapists, ay?). You can't show the same love and care for a mosquito as u do for ur dog.
    3. This "carnism" is not a matter psychological or social reasons, it's a simply a continuation of our omnivorous origins. We evolved to be able to eat meat and we still do. We don't "have to", but we can choose to. And since it's available and highly nutritious, we do. And since the only options is loads of beans and lentils, most people would choose meat anyway.
    4. Those horror videos that many vegans like to show, yes, they are horrible and absolute violation to all animal rights! But there's the problem: Where are YOUR rules for good animal keeping? Where is the supervision in these factories? If that is truly the standard in America (which I don't believe), you should be very ashamed! Here in Europe and especially here in Finland we have strict laws on all food and we have supervision too. Not to say these kinds of things don't happen, but they certainly aren't the standard! Also the organic and free range farms here actually DO have better conditions for the animals as ruled by law.
    5. Only one of the 3 N's was accurately disproved. Eating animals IS normal for humans as proven by our omnivorous genes. Eating animals IS natural as proven by all other omnivorous and carnivorous animals in the world. But eating animals is not entirely necessary, since we can get most of the proteins and vitamins from other sources… except B12 that ONLY exists in meat, eggs and milk – the most nutritious foods on the planet. Coincidence? No, since veganism does NOT exist in any other animal on the planet. It's literally unnatural and only a belief system originally made up by spiritual men in Middle-East. A religion basically. But that's what the video referred to as well "a belief system". Nothing wrong with not wanting to eat animals as long as people understand the entire world is based on the exact opposite of this belief. Mark that word, belief.

  • If I were to go someone's house and I popped their goldfish in my mouth, they'd throw me out. Yet, this same family will sit down and eat a salmon dinner. If I go to sea world and kill a dolphin and started eating it, I'd be arrested and labeled sick. Yet, eating tuna is fine. So many people in the US love their pets, whether it's a cat or dog. They love their cats more than their own family. A rich widow dies and leave her cat millions of dollars. Puppies! You know you're going to hell if you kill a puppy! You are a sick Demented person if you harm or abuse a puppy! Yet, the same people who demonize you for your horrific evil abuse of that puppy, will go and order VEAL at a restaurant. Why aren't people making the connection? Is it a traditional thing? Eating meat. Like eating turkey? Why DO we eat turkey for thanksgiving! And since when did become a custom to butcher and slaughter another life as a form of celebration? Caviar isn't cheap. Meat isn't cheap. Foie gras isn't cheap. Kobe beef isn't cheap. Spanish prosciutto isn't cheap. Why has meat consumption become a sign of luxury? We've been brainwashed to believe that we need such foods in our lives, When we don't. We really really don't. If consuming animals and animal products are so vital to our health and well being, why are so many of us dying? With heart disease being the lead cause of deaths, and diabetes and cancer. Yet, animals eating other animals don't get sick! Why don't full grown cows drink their mothers milk anymore? Why don't lions drink cows milk? Why don't newborn puppies drink cats milk? Or why don't dogs drink milk anymore when they've fully grown. Yet, for some strange reason, humans still consume dairy milk. The majority of people never give time to think about such questions. We just do what we've been taught since we were children. We sit down to eat without ever really thinking of where our meal comes from. Because we don't want to know. Ignorance is bliss after all. A steak is never just a steak. Pork chops. Veal. These all came from live animals that gave up their lives for our consumption. And unfortunately, there is NO humane way to kill an animal that doesn't want to die. Respect for food is respect for life. For who we are, and what we do.

  • SHE LOOKS aMAZING FOR 49 years!

  • Amazing Great Speech…WauW!

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